Curse

Yuki Juggernaut · Jun 01, 2010, 09:27 PM // 21:27

It became "dead" quite a while back when A-Net stopped all the real updates funneling to GW so they could focus on GW2.

The Riven · Jun 01, 2010, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Dear Gurus,

Today, over 3700 accounts were banned due to botting and use of third-party programs. Let's take a moment and really break down how and why nearly half of the populous of this dying online community spontaneously combusted.

Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain. These additions have molded the community from a dying game, to a dying game that the players realize won't get better. I understand GW2 is on the rise, but that's been the case for 2 years without any love for the original, and will continue to be the case for months to come. With this being said, what do the players with 3-5 years under their belt have to do? Repeat missions, vanqs, dungeons? Needlessly grind out speed clears (which Anet failed at attempting to shut down)? Or maybe participating in nerdy e-peen battles on a nightly basis with the same morons every night in HA? THIS my friends, is precisely why people bot. It makes the game fun again. Personally, I've achieved GWAMM, r8, g3 on my own, no bot help. I moved to PvP because there was nothing else left to do in PvE. When PvP becomes redundant, you simply move on (botting). An evolutionary process mediated by A-net themselves.

For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly. So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold.

I would just like to note with this post, that the people that botted, didn't necessarily bot because they wanted a maxed title, or money, or fame, or glad, etc.. etc... Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game. Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is. If Anet sticks to this concept of an MMO.... even if it is more like WoW (.... zzzzz), who is going to play it? You think I'm gonna buy GW2 after filling my HoM legitimately, getting gwamm, r8, g3 legit? After 5000+ hours of gameplay? I can't imagine so. Because truthfully, with the effort put into GW1 in the last few years, why would I expect anything more from GW2 once they design it? A re-skinned, re-written WoW isn't going to do anyone any good, especially when the Arena Net team won't be adding new content updates every couple of months like WoW does... As BAD as WoW is... it's better than GW... because the designers actually give a damn. =/ sad news for Guild Wars today.

Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is.

Nobody cares, you failed. bad luck, game over.

Reezen · Jun 01, 2010, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Sounds like the usual: "OMG you banned me for exploiting - now without me this game is going on it's way to destruction!"

Honestly - it's like an almost cliche post - I don't think there is any famous game out there without similar ones.

The Drunkard · Jun 01, 2010, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Dear Gurus,
Arena-Net has offered us so many lovely content additions in the recent history, such as costumes, NPCs to talk trade useless crap for other useless crap, ways to change our character from a down-syndrome having asian infant, and finally the War in Kryta quest chain.

If you haven't figured out GW is a dress-up game, then stop posting on this forum. If you haven't figured out that there is only a small staff that is working on GW1, then stop posting on this forum. If you haven't figured out that War in Kryta still isn't completly unveiled, then STOP POSTING ON THIS FORUM.

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

For those of you who didn't bot, you simply didn't know where to get it. Honestly, when something becomes meta (obviously botting was), this community of ours nestles into it wholeheartedly.

What? A simple google search would show anyone where to get a bot. You apparently haven't been on guru enough with your "wholeheartedly" comment either.

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

So basically, my point is this: Anet killed this game by not updating it enough. Without enough content updates, or micro-transactions, or anything that normal, successful MMOs employ to keep their game active, this game died out. 15 minute zaishen wait times in HA, empty districts in PvE zones, etc... BEFORE the ban-o-mania. Just imagine what the future months will behold.

Seriously, did you expect GW1 to last another decade like pokemon creating new areas? Games get old, deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Personally... I just didn't know what else to do... Second GWAMM? ok.. bot account wide titles (treasure, luxon.) Bot eotn titles. Who cares? I've done them already... If a game wants to combat botting, don't let the players get bored of said game.

Well, you could stop posting on this forum for starters...

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Honestly, running rupty and watching people rage was more fun than playing the game for what it is.

Good for you. Did you know reading troll threads like this and laughing at all the people who were justly banned but are complaining about it is more fun that using a bot?

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Originally Posted by Mort Mythoryk

Generally... good luck GW community. - What's left of it, that is.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

SerenitySilverstar · Jun 01, 2010, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Reezen

Sounds like the usual: "OMG you banned me for exploiting - now without me this game is going on it's way to destruction!"

Honestly - it's like an almost cliche post - I don't think there is any famous game out there without similar ones.

I'm not sure why people are even giving him 16 pages worth of attention. The best thing to do would be to stay silent and let him spin his little wheels in aggravation.

Still, most people are pointing and laughing.

It's behaviour like this that makes me wish humans were born full formed with genetic memory.

Lord Sojar · Jun 02, 2010, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

I'm not sure why people are even giving him 16 pages worth of attention. The best thing to do would be to stay silent and let him spin his little wheels in aggravation.

Still, most people are pointing and laughing.

It's behaviour like this that makes me wish humans were born full formed with genetic memory.

Some of us are posting semi intelligent posts about the error of these botters' ways, and the nature of cheating. I know, it's a crazy thing to try, but so are a lot of other things.

fireflyry · Jun 02, 2010, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

I've noticed no drastic changes in the economy and the player base of Guild Wars has always been hit or miss for me. There are assholes and retards and there aren't. It's still the same as it's always been.

And I've never viewed in game statuses as anything of value to begin with so people using bots to get them doesn't really phase me.

To be honest I just don't see this mass ban as an accomplishment or a failure of any kind. It's just the arbitrary enforcement of teh rulez. I don't understand the hatred of the botters, the boners that people are getting from them getting banned and on the flip side the shock and anger from the banned. It's all kind of meh. But I guess everyone else takes this game more seriously than I do.

I'm sure a lot of people do, especially here.

lol

If you didn't notice a change to the economy you may not have traded much.I'm not a huge trader but I know a few players that trade a lot and there were huge drops on certain items.

A power trader issue maybe but an issue none the less.

I personally think you can't mess with certain core game mechanics, especially achievements or attainable goals, regardless of whether or not they are undesirable to many individuals.Why else are games played if not to attain the next level, the next item, the next quest, etc, etc.

That's often the motivation for the majority of players and the way these goals are implemented and controlled can make or break a game.

Titles are no different.Even if they can be easily ignored they are still the only form of player segregation between new and "experienced" players and are one of the few goals to aim for at end-game.If they have no inherent value to the community due to exploits or cheating it's clearly a problem that needs to be addressed.

When the attainment of these achievements becomes a joke so does the game.

belshazaarswrath · Jun 02, 2010, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by fireflyry

When the attainment of these achievements becomes a joke so does the game.

The fact that it could get to point where its gotten makes the game seem like a joke to me...not that rpg's are srs bzns. Anyway I guess I can kind of understand what you're saying. But I still don't get the utter glee everyone seems to be getting out of this whole thing...

windtalker · Jun 02, 2010, 05:41 AM // 05:41

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

The fact that it could get to point where its gotten makes the game seem like a joke to me...not that rpg's are srs bzns. Anyway I guess I can kind of understand what you're saying. But I still don't get the utter glee everyone seems to be getting out of this whole thing...

The titles did not become jokes because of bots. The titles became less "elite" simply because more people got them. Also, spending 10,000 minutes of your time in 1 year is impressive, in a disgusting way I guess. When the title has been out for 4 years, it's a lot less impressive. While botting might have contributed to the less meaning of titles, the increased time available for players to complete them and the increasing number of players attaining the titles were the main reason for them being "jokes."

I have max drunk and I could care less whether someone had macro'ed or not, it's a personal achievement and I'm looking forward to potential benefits or mini's or titles or what have you in gw2. I don't care if someone did it more easily than me. same with kurz etc

KZaske · Jun 02, 2010, 06:31 AM // 06:31

I really like what the game has become since the bans. It's playable again, today is the first time I say anything close to a bot. The lack of bots has reduced lag and almost no spamming in most zones. People are actually playing the game. I even saw a group forming.
So, for those of you that caught botting - thank you for being idiots and choosing to leave the game. Guild Wars is in no danger of becoming a ghost town, but then how would a botter and cheater know? They would not because they can't get into the game anymore. So long, good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

belshazaarswrath · Jun 02, 2010, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by windtalker

The titles did not become jokes because of bots. The titles became less "elite" simply because more people got them. Also, spending 10,000 minutes of your time in 1 year is impressive, in a disgusting way I guess. When the title has been out for 4 years, it's a lot less impressive. While botting might have contributed to the less meaning of titles, the increased time available for players to complete them and the increasing number of players attaining the titles were the main reason for them being "jokes."

I have max drunk and I could care less whether someone had macro'ed or not, it's a personal achievement and I'm looking forward to potential benefits or mini's or titles or what have you in gw2. I don't care if someone did it more easily than me. same with kurz etc

What are you talking about?

fireflyry · Jun 02, 2010, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

The fact that it could get to point where its gotten makes the game seem like a joke to me...not that rpg's are srs bzns. Anyway I guess I can kind of understand what you're saying. But I still don't get the utter glee everyone seems to be getting out of this whole thing...

Fair call.

As a casual player I get where your coming from as I am much the same.In saying I have a huge curiosity in MMORPG in general and enjoy debating such topics as they are an increasing big issue for millions of people.I am also in an alliance with many "hardcore" players.

The glee is simplistic and could be referenced to my earlier points.

1.One person plays for hundreds of hours to attain an in-game goal.

2.Scripts and bots enter the scene equating to the same goal basically equating to load game and afk.

3.Thats banned.

4.Point 1 players justifiably rejoice.Their commitment and time sink is relevant.

Don't forget that in GW titles often equate to huge amounts of time sink.

Cheapening that=fail.

belshazaarswrath · Jun 02, 2010, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by fireflyry

Fair call.

As a casual player I get where your coming from as I am much the same.In saying I have a huge curiosity in MMORPG in general and enjoy debating such topics as they are an increasing big issue for millions of people.I am also in an alliance with many "hardcore" players.

The glee is simplistic and could be referenced to my earlier points.

1.One person plays for hundreds of hours to attain an in-game goal.

2.Scripts and bots enter the scene equating to the same goal basically equating to load game and afk.

3.Thats banned.

4.Point 1 players justifiably rejoice.Their commitment and time sink is relevant.

Don't forget that in GW titles often equate to huge amounts of time sink.

Cheapening that=fail.

I guess if you invest a lot in how much your accomplishments compare to other peoples that makes sense. I've spent a lot of time on completing certain goals (decking out my character, getting lots of money) and I really don't feel like anything I've done was ever cheapened. I mean I sat there and did it so why the hell should joe mcbot over there with the same thing bother me? In my opinion a personal accomplishment can't be cheapened unless you let it.

Anyway I can understand people being happy "justice" is served. But at the same time a lot of people seem reveling in it like a pig in shit. Which I find a little unnerving.

fireflyry · Jun 02, 2010, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

I guess if you invest a lot in how much your accomplishments compare to other peoples that makes sense.

That is THE definition of MMORPG for many players.Not my buzz but I respect it.

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

In my opinion a personal accomplishment can't be cheapened unless you let it.

That's where your inability to comprehend this issue lies.Don't get me wrong, I play the same way you do but you have to have a hierarchy in MMORPG.It's a core mechanic of game play, success and longevity.

There has to be a title, achievement, "Uber Sword of Flaming Doom" or whatever for such players.If you place a stipulated commitment to achieve such rewards, then allow exploits, then kick the cheaters out, the mass who earned the benefits in an honest and committed way will rejoice.

It also has relevance in how much it costs to "deck" out your char.Then again I'm a bargain hunter.

lol

belshazaarswrath · Jun 02, 2010, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by fireflyry

That's where your inability to comprehend this issue lies.Don't get me wrong, I play the same way you do but you have to have a hierarchy in MMORPG.It's a core mechanic of game play, success and longevity.

There has to be a title, achievement, "Uber Sword of Flaming Doom" or whatever for such players.If you place a stipulated commitment to achieve such rewards, then allow exploits, then kick the cheaters out, the mass who earned the benefits in an honest and committed way will rejoice.

It also has relevance in how much it costs to "deck" out your char.Then again I'm a bargain hunter.

I didn't think Guild Wars really had that hierarchy anymore. Back in the day I think there was a very pronounced difference between the zillionaire big shot players and the newbs who just got their first run to Droks. Now it seems like everyones a big money making title haver.(unless they just started playing)

Maybe I've just been playing for too long and I'm out of touch.

Also deck by my definition is havin a few 15k armors and a few 100k weapons/off-hands on the character.

Ninja Ninja · Jun 02, 2010, 01:13 PM // 13:13

How can a bot appreciate something he never earned.

vamp08 · Jun 02, 2010, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

How can a bot appreciate something he never earned.

You talk like the items in GW are synonymous with the physical.

Protip: that BDS you earned isn't real, its composed of zero's, one's and verticies.

Your statement: "How can a bot appreciate something he/she never earned"

Answer: he/she cant, because it isn't real.

To appreciate something you have to work for it; sitting in your chair for 3+ hours isn't working. (save the the "I work in an office, I sit in a chair and I'm working" comments, they need not apply)

I'm sorry, but "appreciate" in this ORPG boils down to who has the cooler looking staff/sheild/sword/daggers/hammer/axe/focus/wand/bow/spear/scythe. It doesnt come down to appreciation and fairness, it comes to "that guy has a cooler-looking weapon than me, no fair!"

I can guarantee the moment you would "work" for a BDS or tomentented weapon or whatever, and finally get it, the first thing you would do is Ctrl + click and wait for the "im jealous" comments so you can feel better that you spent the better part of your day aquiring nothing statistically better.

00039 · Jun 02, 2010, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Fact is GW will become a ghost town not because of the banned botters but because of anet's own stupidity

JoeKnowMo · Jun 02, 2010, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by vamp08

I can guarantee the moment you would "work" for a BDS or tomentented weapon or whatever, and finally get it, the first thing you would do is Ctrl + click and wait for the "im jealous" comments so you can feel better that you spent the better part of your day aquiring nothing statistically better.

That guarantee doesn't apply to many players I know. You know who spends the majority of time staring at your character? YOU.

Again, like so many posts in here, this is all off-topic, and is a thinly-veiled attempt to un-ban botters.

majoho · Jun 02, 2010, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by 00039

Fact is GW will become a ghost town not because of the banned botters but because of anet's own stupidity

I bet you put a lot of thought into that post, I'm impressed by your argument